Ferry Seed Company merged with the California based seed company C. C. Morse Company in 1930 to become the Ferry-Morse Seed Company. Without pioneers in the field of biotechnology, we would still be battling diabetes with insulin taken from slaughterhouse animals. While it may not be the case for many people here on Gardenweb, there is generally a huge disconnect between the people and their food. Pupilla - you seem to clearly be of a divided mind here. I only insist on using good references and doing a little fact checking. If there are other companies that I should be concerned about, I'd like to know that too and respond the same way to their products. But I am not making a blanket statement. There is a link to a pdf on his site that shows the graphics a little more clearly. We just have different ways of looking at this and won't change each other. Ferry Morse Seed Company is one of America's oldest and most trusted garden seed companies. HWnW^aw0Dc`ECS>,Q9U3CJ yTw-yW^~vw_[)sX7yX&^\}-]N {yZ*~>|\f&G[C$zr=^^~g/V_o{q{u@0/3~+!g/q}}yy}u}wW1tPZ:1xHx'5D2C(qq|?D__BO=__{s2HH^CBm+~j-gaoKs'Y(Oq 1DV&9l"&NMetY&U jHek9~)o,*SDHecls|Vb d{9|E K+ H?WZbAP r ^`ry\m8evl&>g'QE9=0xTYJ!jp# And here is another article, from Reuters. Any questions I've asked were rhetorical and require no response. Kellogg. To me, you cant go in opposite directions at the same time. I was unaware that there are graphs 'trying' to track what they now own. That is pretty depressing. The most cited scientific journal on the planet takes the space to publish peer review a 270,000 figure and debunks it as a myth which is false and shows absolutely no correlation. I did a bit of research, I don't believe that Ferry Morse/ Jiffy/ American Seed is owned by Monsanto. This is so sad. "Monoculture" is a problem that has far reaching implications outside the farm itself.In fact, the whole concept of modern agriculture, from animal raising to crop growing, is plagued with many serious issues. and adding if I must only bow to your statement, you have increased the negativity of what you said. And your end of the conversation is without flaws? If you want to find out who owns a company, go to the website of the attorney general of the state where the company is located. . [5] The combined firm became the largest seed distribution company in the world. The business was merged into Plantation Products, a privately owned gardening company based in Massachusetts. Pupilla - Im surprised, that you have taken offense at my last post. Multiple smaller, non high tech companies that are manageable by individuals and an asset to their communities. FWIW, and a big LOL to that, in the spirit of completeness, Monsanto is one of them. I read the Wiki synopsis of the film and it reports that Indias farmers dispute claims that Monsantos crops require less pesticide or produce higher yields. . 0000489481 00000 n I choose to evaluate products on a case by case basis rather than be preached to by articles (such as the info one that started this thread) or lobbies (such as those sponsored by lawyers on both sides, or lobbies). And more detailed explanations about what you meant and what you think. I keep my variety! How did you come to this conclusion? I asked you to clarify what you meant. If someone could only convince farmers to stop using GMO seeds. ". I've made an attempt to at least present some links to what should be reliable sources of information. Youll have to show me where I have labeled you. [4] However, Ferry quickly re-organized the company, bought seeds from outside sources and absorbed two smaller seed companies, and the company managed to fill orders for its customers. Really good article, I learned a few things. Its not easy to explain it completely, but Ill give it a try. Why are you insisting to know my religious beliefs, which is what I consider this? As for the GMO involved, yes, it is the leading potential solution and everyone will probably have equal and free access to it, including every other country around the world growing Citrus. [1] Jiffy has moved production outside of Canada with over 70 people working at their location in Brandon. Thanks for the rest of the links. The context of my comment was that in exiting the conversation you told me you were going to give me the benefit of the doubt about my intentions. Silly scare-mongering. Any conversation, on any subject, even the weather, someone can participate in that conversation in a way that creates an unwillingness on the part of the other person to continue the conversation. Grow your. Zach - you are right, there is always two sides to an issue, but consider the fact that Monsanto has a fortune to spend on convincing the public to see things from their point of view. Live the Garden Life with garden to table recipes and home decor! Have you read the FEDCO companys catalog? NotMonsanto. I do own my words and own my entire prior post, and your reply re-enforces that we are very far from each others' interpretation of events around us. Our History. We grow our lawn without fertilizer and use clover and leave selective weeds in the lawn. I expect the same good faith from you. Consumers have a lot of power that they are not using to support good companies and stop supporting bad companies. If you want to be sure of what you are buying, buy by variety, not by brand. Rather than bow, I will use the word "succumb". I dont think Monsanto will own these forever - You have no way of knowing what Monsanto will do. ASM198 - Since the Infowars site is unreliable, I went looking for reliable sources and tried to think what I consider reliable. Not relevant enough. I don't want to see this idea catching on that big companies can cherry pick the best varieties, not let us grow them, and the only way we can get them is by paying $5 for a plastic clamshell of them in Walmart as if they were blueberries out of season. There was no need to be offended, my addition of those key phrases might have indicated to you my intention to not offend you and that my mind was still open to further explanation. Trouncing the entire field because we don't like some parts of it is effectively throwing the baby out with the bath water. That burns me up, because this tomato is a pretty good one, just like Big Beef and Better Boy are good conventional products for the home garden. It would be nice to have first-hand experience, accuracy, truthfulness and completeness in anything we read and I am quick to react when something doesn't smell right. It is a free country and they can do that. It goes against my core beliefs. Thank you for the link to Seed Alliance, that was encouraging. [8], In the early 1900s, D.M. Founded in 1850, Livingston is best known for bringing the modern tomato to the world. 2023 Plantation Products, LLC, dba Green Garden Products. It is one thing to be mad when a large company deprives me of seeds and has other businesses that are very profitable which can seem not to benefit consumers. Ferry-Morse is a company that specializes in supplying seeds. They also had 50 seed in their sunflower packets. Loss of the citrus industry will be catastrophic and change Florida. It is my use of the words bow and marketers in your objection and your conjecture that I am labeling you in your words: [[[You accused me of labeling you. Any seed you buy will not be GMO, unless you are a commercial farmer and then you will must sign a GMO agreement before they will sell you seeds. It is available, however the poorest starving workers currently earn more using the GM cotton, which to them means more money for nutrition, health and the other necessities their earnings buy. The release will only happen if it passes the regulatory hurdles and more importantly works. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse seeds have been sold continuously in the United States. And I don't feel any need to defend my complete dislike of Monsanto and what they are about. Do you usually answer questions with yes or no answers? I'm simply saying that I don't trust Monsanto. That is because so much mistrust that has been sown by both sides. Ive asked you a few questions which you have ignored. Ed, thanks for posting. Nobody of the big guys is going to tell you which seeds they buy from their competitors, and by definition if you buy a variety you can research it's entire pedigree. I have not responded to each point you've made because my posts would become much too long. The 1906 earthquake demolished the firm's facilities, but they quickly moved to temporary space in San Francisco, and the company bought out Cox Seed and Plant. In 1981, the Ferry-Morse Seed Company was acquired by France's Groupe Limagrain. It's rhetorical. Id like to see individuals participate more in creating businesses that are all about community and supporting the environment. Which by the way, you don't actually know is true, unless some lab somewhere is doing random testing on the seed sold by Monsanto seed companies. The miniscule home gardening operation those operations developed is one of the principle sources that most seed companies we purchase from get their seeds from and rebrand from. With over 1800 seed varieties on offer, the company is proud to have veggies like Black Incan Corn, Coffee Okra and Marble Beans on its roster. Unfortunately the home garden market is only a drop in the bucket and if a big-ag company decided to discontinue it there would be varieties that could be lost forever. Ferry-Morse. The crop employs nearly a third of the worlds population. That is hurtful to all. That is completely from out of left field. Do you realize that many people already are avoiding all soy and corn because of the difficulty now of finding non GMO soy and corn? It was established in 1896 by Dr. Albert Edward McKenzie, and claims to supply 60% of Canada's packet seed market. They are intended only to understand why farmers in India use Bt cotton. We are all human and perfect accuracy is beyond all of us. They also sell organic supplies that are not always easy to find. Today Livingston is the number one supplier of top-quality, 100% Non-GMO seeds for independent businesses. Better to leave the door open! ~ Are you not against any of the things that Monsanto has done or is doing? But you claim that you do. They are reliable, trustworthy seeds you know will sprout and grow when you want them to. for pricing and availability. Founded in 1856, Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed businesses in the United States and pioneered the practice of selling only fresh flower, herb, and vegetable . I do not think my emotions or anything I believe or present as testimonials makes any difference to others. 0000536667 00000 n This year, I also ordered seed from Johnny's seed. You're right, kilngod, someone should have researched before they put them on the list. As should every living person on the earth. You suggest GMO Crops show promisehow about a track record of crop failures and disasters? What can I personally do about it? Now headquartered in Norton, Massachusetts, we take pride in providing you with high quality products and the inspiration to bring your . Sorry. I addressed this in this post already. I cannot support misleading people for political ends. Here is the reference from the British publication Nature. Yes, I understand that people exaggerate, often because they've had an emotional reaction to something that really disturbs them. We are not well suited to discuss controversial subjects with each other. But it was encouraging to read about "small-scale breeders who are developing and stewarding regionally suited crop varieties, nurtured in part by the Organic Seed Alliance. How about the film it links to, called Bitter Seeds which is a documentary about the impact of genetically modified cotton on Indias farmers and the suicide rate of over a quarter million Bt Cotton farmers each year due to financial stress resulting from massive crop failure and the price of Monsantos Bt seeds? The idea started with a nylon stocking to hold . It is not my fault that they bought it. For instance, the Irish potato famine (which actually effected almost the entire continent of Europe) and the more recent (1970s) famine caused by almost total annihilation of the wheat crop in the USSR. And are you then saying that because the story about India was not completely accurate, that means that there is nothing to fear? You seem to be trying to straddle both sides and see yourself above everyone else. You give me alternative suggestions, but Im afraid you have not solved the GMO issue with your alternative suggestions at all. And since I am anti-Monsanto I see no other way to interpret that, except that you consider me and anyone against what Monsanto does to be an anti-Monsanto preacher. Im actually against biotech entirely. Go back and look at the first three comments made in 2015. No. The Citrus Browning is global, so if GMO is the only workable solution, not adopting it in Florida (after our Citrus growers sponsor it) will just mean other growing areas will pick up the slack, probably Brasil, and they likely will need to implement the GMO citrus and just take out produce just as Mexico did with strawberries and tomatoes already. I agree that we are all too far removed from the reality of what is going on with our food supply, but I also believe that most people expect the government agencies to be protecting us from risks and dangers to the food supply, which would include GMO seeds and foods. And I thought my above response was very clear about where I personally stand on this issue, do you have some problem with that? I expect the same good faith from you.. Back to your point on voting with your dollars. 0000017030 00000 n And what online source, would be reliable for that kind of information? Rice (Oryza sp) is the main food crop of 2.5 billion people across the globe, most living in third world countries of Asia and Africa. Add to Cart. (all are Big ag GMO producers). Compare Model # 629382.1220.199.9086. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. Is that your point of view? And you are free to say whatever you want, but I have an opinion of what you had to say and have honestly shared it with you, as much for your benefit as for anything else. 0000014051 00000 n To learn from a debate my partner needs to provide quality information. This kind of statement makes the conversation now about me and keeps diverting the conversation away from the topic and adds lengthy discussion back and forth about me. This company seems to be power hungry and has their own agenda as far as the food supply goes and seems to be lacking in integrity. I have selected one or two only at a time to respond to and even with those I have written at least as many, but I think plenty more words than you. 0000509606 00000 n I try to learn how to make a habitat for pollinators. This is what you originally said and what I quoted verbatim: If you would like to clarify or interpret differently what you said (specifically the bolded part), that is fine and your right and no shame in that, I do it all the time and I do change opinions all the time too. Are they protecting us? Period. I would like to see the world get away from this kind of development. Again, you opened up the discussion of GMO when you challenged the idea of boycotting GMO seed companies. Invented in 1939, SUPERthrive has had a fabulous journey that few products can match all thanks to the creativity and passion of its founder, Dr. John Thomson. Now we meander into the never-ending GMO debate when and you give me about 7 points with links they you don't have time to review for quality, which have nothing to do with the boycott I objected to. If they discontinue their variety they know me and thousands of others will kick their butt. Lowes gets $0.25 of it. I do not doubt that your intentions are to find accurate, truthful, and complete information but intentions and execution are two different things. Then read your own comment. I do not consider it more honorable or more negative to be either. Apr 27, 2014 - Monsanto owned seed brands OWNED BY MONSANTO OR SEMINIS OR SELL SMALL PERCENTAGES OF SEEDS FROM THEM. Pupilla, if you didnt intend to discuss GMO, then I cannot understand why you would enter the conversation and object to a boycott of GMO seed companies. Or do you actually believe that all the lawsuits [which there are many beyond what happened in India] and the complaints against Monsanto are manufactured and Monsanto and GMO seeds are above reproach? [3] A. E. F. White, John Stoughton Newberry, and W. K. Anderson were also officers. I have Better Boy and Early Girl tomatoes in my garden, Monsanto varieties, and others in tomatoes really like Big Beef, another one of theirs all for the home garden market. Only if you are trying to convince them of something. The 'foodandwaterwatch' link doesn't work, but it is two years old. :-|. So why is it still being discussed? I have a hard time with that because the tomatoes are innocent varieties that were developed before GM veggie products were even on the market. You accused me of labeling you. I haven't bought a non organic commercial fertilizer in 30 years of growing. In 1958, the company formally changed their name to Asgrow Seed Company. To do that you just can buy any home garden seed you want. And this is actually your version of limiting the scope of your discussion to only what was relative? Well wishes to you too. There is no question I want a conventionally bred product by a smaller company if there is a real choice, because it keeps conventional breeding strong and competitive and goes against the trends of consolidation which large companies represent. I also have many other heirloom tomatoes which I enjoy too, and I am happy with the current GMO-free assortment of interesting heirlooms and faithful hybrids I get dependable results growing and are delicious. I found out that Plantation Products (such a lovely company, NOT) owns American Seed, Ferry Morse, Jiffy, NK and McKenzie. This link gives an explanation of their position on Monsanto and GMO seeds: http://www.fedcoseeds.com/seeds/monsanto.htm. With one fell swoop in 2005, Monsanto grabbed approximately 40% of the US vegetable seed market with its acquisition of Seminis. $1.96. There was no Whole Foods, or organic seed, fertilizers, etc. The end result: faster and stronger growth resulting in higher yields. You are so right. 0000010754 00000 n 1% retail connection and then made to look as "owned by"? Two publications that came to mind are the Christian Science Monitor and Mother Earth News, a magazine that has been in business for 35 years. Negative: tablerocktina (4 reviews) On Aug 6, 2012, tablerocktina Fountain Inn, SC (Zone 8a) wrote: . 0000519175 00000 n The Ferry-Morse Seed Company is a supplier of seeds, and was at one time the largest such company in the world. I don't want to win, I want to learn from you. and aside from seeds, I don't use the kind of products they make any way. I imagine there are many people who have stock funds that they don't even know have these stocks in them. BTW, you only see it when you are signed in. 0000492936 00000 n Remember there are 2 American seed company's. One is owned by Plantation products and seeds and the other by the GMO pesticide company Monsanto. Sunflower Fun Sunny Hybrid Mix Seed. All Ferry-Morse seeds are 100% Non-GMO. 0000536209 00000 n Are all Ferry Morse seeds heirloom? From 1856 onward, Ferry Morse seeds have been supplying the freshest and best garden seeds for the home gardens of American gardeners. It is not a solution to me. And, just for the sake of argument, why would Monsanto own so many seed companies, what's their reason for buying them all? I personally have no opinion about Monsanto, except to roll my eyes when people scream about how they are going to control the food supply and kill us all. "Yes, I do have fears about producing GMO seed and tampering with something that the entire life of the planet depends on. Monsanto will not sell GMO seeds to the Home Gardener. First of all, you dont know that. And Ive further offended you, by suggesting that what I understood you to say was that you were torn about GMOs. I framed it in an appeal to dire consequences? :-). Language links are at the top of the page across from the title. Ferry & Co with $750,000 in capital, and Ferry as president,[4] James McMillan as vice-president, H. Kirke White as secretary, and Charles C. Bowen as treasurer. You cant have one without the other at this point. McKenzie Seeds is a seed packaging company founded in Brandon, Manitoba in 1896. Why are my sage seedlings true leaves dying . Ed, do you see the green sentence at the bottom of the thread, to click on to switch off notifications? Both a little assertive. Genetic engineering has been able to create a rice that can survive for up to two weeks submerged under water, and may prove to be a lifeline for these people.The Hawaiian papaya industry was brought back from the brink of disaster by splicing ringspot virus DNA with that of the plant, a process similar to the inoculation of humans against disease. But as far as GMO's, the grubby greedy hands of corporate America will never allow a GMO trait to be given to home gardening in the current legal conditions, since they would then lose all their investment in the GMO patent which is their golden-egg laying money goose. It will only cause Monsanto to close down unprofitable seed companies which will cause a loss of natural genetic diversity. I do not grasp the gravity of GMO seeds? I did not misquote you. It is sort of intended as an "open source", freely distributed GMO introduction going on in Florida right now. I will try to get back here and finish reading everyones later. So, is that true or isnt it? Pupilla - I just saw this response. Pupilla - Not following you. 0000011324 00000 n It also gives a list of seed companies that are not.(link)". And if it is a fact, that due to the way in which Monsanto was allowed to introduce GMO cotton seed in India, that there is now no non GMO seed available there, then how do we unring that bell? Im actually against biotech entirely. Ferry seed catalogs, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ferry-Morse_Seed_Company&oldid=1144036611, Companies based in Santa Clara, California, Agriculture companies of the United States, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 11 March 2023, at 12:52. I was reminded that 10 giant chemical and pharmaceutical companies now own 80% of the world's commercial seed. The D.M. I bought them last year and it was so convenient not to have to search all over the place for some of the items. I prefer to make my own decisions and not be conned. "There are two spiritual dangers in not owning a farm," wrote Aldo Leopold, "One is the danger of supposing that breakfast comes from the grocery" When we remove ourselves so far from what is actually going on in our food supply, we basically give the large agribusinesses carte blanche to do whatever they want, as long as the shelves are always stocked.Now, with that being said, there are benefits to genetic engineering that are often overlooked in the conversation. You see diseases developing, like the Citrus Greening disease, and you think, wellmaybe GMO and Monsanto will rescue us from these. If you object to my desire to boycott, then you require me to explain my reasons and in doing so, a GMO discussion ensues. And even in our conversation, I have not found you to accurately read and understand what I've written. 0000536402 00000 n My original question Are you against any of the things Monsanto has done or is doing? you dont want to answer. That's fine, but that does confirm my conclusion that we are not a good fit for a conversation and it has not been constructive, for me. 0000536287 00000 n Compare $ 1 98. As should every living person on the earth. A 200' pier ran out into Lake Charlevoix. You will find it is considered baloney by reliable fact-checkers that published a peer reviewed study which concluded the the rate of suicide has no correlation with the cited GMOs in India. ~ GMOs dont seem to concern you is that right? OK :-) Thank you for telling me the rules. ***If any company you like is on the list, research their ownership yourself.***. On time delivery of my seeds. Worse then Phillip-Morris, which in addition to selling tobacco, has been cited for child labor? In 1921, they bought the commission packet business from Morse. Ferry-Morse is one of the oldest operating seed companies in the United States, having been in continuous operation since 1856! And is that the only such story about the effects of Monsanto and their seeds and the biotech seed field? Whose goal is to"Advance the ethical development and stewardship of the genetic resources of agricultural seed.". Ferry bought land in California to grow crops for seed. You have peppered your comments with plenty of complaints and labels of what I have had to say. Pupilla - I'm sorry to tell you this, but I don't find an explanation in your post at all. 0000005445 00000 n I buy seeds from organizations I have some reason to trust and who are functioning in a way I appreciate. I carefully put a disclaimer transferring the burden of fact checking to others? Certainly enough to raise concern for anyone willing to consider it and have a starting point to better understand it.". :) The depth of these posts is a nice contrast to the lengthy discussions elsewhere on the site regarding whether shiny brass hardware is currently "in" or "out." [3] At the same time, the Detroit Seed Company was absorbed into the new corporation. Any talk of avoiding the seeds for purchase is circular logic intended to manipulate people by bullying them and using fear as a weapon. We bought Giant, Violet Queen Zinna Seeds from Ferry-Morse Seed Co., then planted them, and carefully watered and nursed them! Youve said twice you consider yourself an independent thinker. Get the Container-Friendly Flower Kit from Ferry-Morse for $39.99. Although, how do you easily find out who owns these companies? You wonder why we don't learn our lesson. I responded with a simple report on the seed companies I enjoy using that I have confidence do not carry GMO seeds. A movie (or someone else) comes up with some terrible conspiracy theory sort of plot. Which makes it difficult to discuss with you. No company sells GMO seeds to home gardeners. And where does it refer to your belief in anything I said? Thank you prarie. And the hyperbole"Monsanto, maybe the most evil corporation ever". 0000518594 00000 n It is hard to avoid them though when they are buying up companies left and right. Then I read: "Johnnys Seeds, Burpee Seeds, Territorial Seeds and Park Seeds Have Been Removed From This List, They Are Not Owned By Monsanto in Any way; These Companies Do Sell Great Quality Products In Whole." 0000518883 00000 n And with their history of trying to influence legislation, at some point, once they have a monopoly of owning seed companies, then what? McKenzie continues to set industry standards while being conscious and responsive to the growing concerns involved with food: cost, quality and safety. If you support their companies, you have no idea what they are doing behind the scenes. Again, I gave you alternate suggestions of how to hit Monsanto's bottom line so much harder, that included not purchasing Round-Up, not purchasing Miracle Gro products, and not purchasing the commercial Zima tomato product, which I thought would make you happy since it is conventional Monsanto seeds and the growers conned Monsanto into giving them an exclusive, which prevents all home gardeners from getting this conventional seed, even though it is super delish and was developed conventional before Monsanto bought them out. I havent got the time to do an expose on Monsanto. Really? I feel all comments among us should be assumed to be in good faith without having to win favor in "the benefit of the doubt", as this shouldn't be a political forum. It's a coop. Yes, your original objection about the link that was inaccurate, was an early part of the topic being discussed. Thanks for providing me a second look at it. We are off-topic of avoiding GMO seeds (since all home garden seeds are GMO-free, even those from big bad Monsanto). For example, RH Shumway, Roots and Rhizomes, McClure and Zimmerman, TotallyTomato, and Vermont Bean are owned by JW Jung Seed.
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